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TLD pg55 by Devinital-TLK TLD pg55 by Devinital-TLK
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So Vitani explains herself, that she did it out of fear for her brother's safety, prefering to break a small promise then to see him hurt.
I remeber back in elementary school was one of the first things I was told by teachers was "Always keep a promise or secret of a friend unless it involves putting them in some kind of danger, then you need to tell a adult". As I got older and realized that life is far more complicated then first expected, begging the question: where is the line the that says when you should keep your promise and honor your friends and when you should break it to seek help for them? When do you decide when saftey is more important then trust? Is it better to see you friend live on a better life but loose them as friend in the process or is it bettter to see them suffer and feel the guilt from it? Food for thought. ;)
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karysha13 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013
o i think i know where vitani's ''maybe...just maybe'' is going in this comic in refrence to the movie :)
Devinital-TLK Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013  Student General Artist
Flameshadow117 Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is a good question... I suppose it's a fuzzy line and a complicated decision making process. I'd say, is there real and serious danger, and is the person sensible and in control? Like, if I secretly told you my husband was beating me, but made you promise never to tell anyone, but I was clearly suffering from the effects of years of emotional abuse.... you should maybe intervene (though that's a complicated problem in itself because if you aren't careful you can make the abuse worse). Or if I needed a drug intervention, because I was addling my brain pretty bad. Then you break the promise.  But if I secretly told you I was going to go cave-diving even though my parents forbade it because it's hazardous, I mean... that's my choice to do daredevil stuff. I am rationally choosing to take a risk. Or if I came out of the closet to you, just because you think it's wrong... there's no real danger. 

That's another thing, how much of your own personal bias is going into it? Like, what if your 12 year old niece confided that she was sexually active with kids in her grade? Do you tell the parents? Is she really in danger? Is it outdated prudish sensibilities that tell us this behavior is wrong, or is she really in danger of becoming psychologically messed up (or worse, pregnant)?

Sadly, it's impossible to look past our own bias and the culture we live in, and impossible to see the future. 
Devinital-TLK Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2013  Student General Artist
Agreed. Its a fine line and once crossed, its difficult to go back.

I hadn't thought of social bias and culture impacts before but it is a good point. It doesn't help so many shows today leave unfavorable role models on children. Not all Tv, internet and such is like this but I really don't think it be so bad if parents turned the TV off now and again and had the kids go do something else for a little while. Or at least sit down for five minutes and watch with them. We can only help the youth and make them come to respect us if we take the time to be with them a give a firm hand.
Furthermore, what really bothers me is the lack of care behind kids in schools and what they can get away with. I'm not saying we should go back to humiliating and hurting children like in the old day but some serious punishment should be in order instead of just standing back and watching them do stuff that could be very traumitizing or hazardous. Sure kids are going to do stupid sometimes harmful stuff (like stick your tongue to a pole during winter because your friends dared you to) but that shouldn't stop us from filtering out certain activities. A cute kiss or holding hands, that's harmful but I for one DON'T approve of children thinking its fine to partake in sexual activity just because "everyone else is doing it".

Sorry went on a bit of a rant there, I have a eight year old sister who I'm severly worried will go down that road of ending up. She is spoiled, willful and manipulative little girl who has this idea that she can get away with anything and there will be no consequence for it. Add in her favorite shows are on Disney Channel and she absolutely loves Twilight and you can see why I'm worried.
Flameshadow117 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hahah! I would be worried too, dear lord! Twilight is terrible for more reasons than being bad writing. If you have time, check out these awesome videos that really spell out the underlying horror behind Twilight: 

Laci Green in general is pretty much like, my guru to modern philosophy :P 

Anyway... 8 years old is like, peak brattiness age. In fact, alot of people don't really develop a sense of the real world, and empathy until they hit college (if you are still a self centered manipulative person after college, I don't think there is any hope O.o). If you can, try to supplement her Disney Channel fantasy world with actual real-world stuff. But it is hard for little kids-- they have never experienced a personal tragedy, so they have no point to base empathy on. I remember I used to laugh when Mufasa died, because I was 8, and "violence was COOL!". Now I cry every time because I understand suffering... 

And yeah, the culture we live in is what we base all our morality on. I mean, if I were suddenly transported back to like, 1000AD, I would probably be stoned to death, because I'm wearing pants (not a dress) and a v-neck top (Skin is showing? HARLOT!). If I were a black man, I'd only have to go back about 50 years, and I could be brutally murdered for looking at a white woman. And the people who would be killing me in these hypotheticals would think they were completely in the right. In 1000AD they'd think I was a witch and they were protecting society from mortal sin, and in the 50's, they'd be protecting their women-folk from the savage black rapist-man. Today, we are not so quick to violence, but still, there are alot of people who genuinely think the concept of marriage needs to be protected from homosexuality, and obviously there are plenty of people who think if a girl is "slutty" it means it's ok to have sex with her without permission. OK, I guess those are horrible examples, but still, morality is relative, which makes moral decisions tricky. My god, and the whole Zimmerman case is like a microcosm of individual bias. 

But sexuality is a very interesting one to me. Is there really anything wrong with people having consenting, protected sex just because we're younger than we think they ought to be? Is the sex-aversion in our culture remnants of the prudish Victorian age? I mean, Juliet was only, what, 12 or 13? Three hundred years ago, middle-school aged people were expected to be married and having kids. It isn't physically healthy for a girl that young to bear children, though, and you're still mentally developing. You're still mentally developing until your 20's-- heck, I somewhat regret my high school relationship, in hindsight it seemed a touch abusive. But then, how else do you learn? Maybe we should just teach horny middle schoolers to keep their hormones to themselves and masturbate. :XD: (unless you're religious and think masturbation is evil and will cause blindness.... ahhh culturally based morality....)
Devinital-TLK Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013  Student General Artist
It should be noted that its not just Twilight that she likes but she also watches Harry Potter and a few Disney classics, but the fact she loves Edward Cullen and wants to marry him worries me: especially after watching the videos you recommended.
Mind you, I'm a Twilight fan too, but for different reasons. I like it because its a escape from a reality, its a over blown romantic venture to live out personal fantasy. However, even as a teen it didn't consume my life and once I read the series, I moved on and read other books. Because it was just a story to me, not reality, I wasn't looking for Edward Cullen in a boyfriend, I was looking for a real person. Heck if there was any one I idolized from the story it was Jacob; he was sweet, her friend who was willing to listen to Bella's views and respect her choices and opinions even if they weren't the smartest. Sure he had his faults, his mistakes but that's what being human means, not claiming perfection and blaming it on others.
Heck, when people started saying how bad Twilight was, instead of covering my ears and not listening, I started to ask questions. Why was Twilight considered bad while people like me considered it good? What elements of character developement and story telling made it bad? What could I take from it and what others perceived it as that to make sure not to make the same mistakes, to make sure that my stories didn't become the next Twilight? Even though it saddens me to know so many people don't like some thing I did like back in high school, I've come to admit the faults and accept others views on it. I'm not Bella nor do ever want to be her, I have a voice and will and I'll make the most of it. Sure I'm passive and even shy but that doesn't mean I shouldn't make my opinion known, especially in relationship with a boy. And when all is said and done, there just books and movies to me, and I can find far more interesting things to do once they lost there luster.

I guess you have a point, I guess I can't do much except allow her to make her own choices and mistakes. As cruel as it sounds, I kind a hope she does something REAL stupid and gets punished for it, to give her a wake up call. Nothing to bad, doesn't turn in homework because she doesn't have my parents hovering over her to get it done or something, I just want her to realize our parents won't always be there to save the day or pick up her slack.

You bring up a lot of good points with culture in the past: I'd probably be in the same boat you'd be in wearing pants and showing off skin. Though fan of Twilight could be added as a fellony. XD
What really stands out to me in todays culture is how cursing is perfectly fine in todays culture. a few decades ago, saying even a single curse word would have gotten you punished as a kid, usually with a bar of soap. And the only adults who cursed where sailors and  bikers. Now, young people think they sound cool and smart by dropping the F bomb every five minutes, when they actually sound immature and unoriginal. I used to do it because all my high school friends did and now am trying to break the habit, mostly because it doesn't look good in the work place.

Fun fact: when I was 13 years old, I got a fortune cookie that told me I'd be married within the year. You can imagine how much that scared me but back 100 or so years, my parents would be estatic. Just goes to show how much times have changed.
When I was in 6th grade, my teachers sat me down and told me sex ed. I didn't get it at first (considering how much of a spacey ditz I was its no surprise) but later caught on. But the one thing I took from it was to be careful around boys as you don't want to end up with a baby at 15. That stuck with all through high school so I never had any problems with the such. And believe me I'm happy I did as I have my whole life ahead of me and no child to hold me back. So if people believe that educating middle schoolers to sex doesn't work, well some on must have messed up with a idiot like me gets it. Plus, there is nothing wrong with masturbation, or at least I think so, I haven't gone blind yet
Flameshadow117 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep, there are alot of statistics that show that access to sexual education reduces teen STI's and pregnancy, and actually increases the age kids become sexually active, whereas kids who are taught abstinence only are the most likely to get STIs >_>

what I find ridiculous is the way you can have a PG-13 movie with tons of graphic violence, but include a little sex, and it becomes R. :XD:

Cursing is alot more acceptable these days... It probably is a bad habit to swear as much as I do. I guess I have a fairly blunt and unrefined persona, so I enjoy using colorful language. And I don't work with customers, so it's usually fine, but sometimes I'm in public or up front at work and I'm like, "What the shit is-----OHGODOHGODTHERE'SALITTLEKIDUPHERE"

Dude, sometimes I wish we talked in the flowerey way people did in the victorian era, or like, Shakespeare. Every little sentence was thoughtful and clever and descriptive. 

I hope your sister gets over Edward Cullen! :P 
Devinital-TLK Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Student General Artist

I wish I had the intelligence to speak and understand flowery language like in the Victorian era: every time I watch a movie like "Pride and Prejudice" it take ten minutes just to figure out what in the world is going on. XD

Funny no, you'd think we'd want our children accustomed to the idea of sex but not witnessing violence.
Flameshadow117 Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I mean, one of these things is inherently bad by most definitions (it causes pain/suffering/death), and one is a natural behavior performed by every living mammal that is necessary for the perpetuation of life. 

Maybe it just takes time to get used to the language use? I miss certain things, but for the most part I don't have trouble with the Jane Austin talk :P But then, I used to almost exclusively read classics. 
Devinital-TLK Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2013  Student General Artist
I totally agree. I can understand it for entertainment value and and to cause conflict and and the such but sometimes its excessive.

It might, or it might be that I have autism so some verbal communicative terms go over my head.
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